Saturday, February 21, 2015

Bargaining for Extras!

In some strip clubs I go to, there are fixed prices for the services and there are no extras so I always know what to pay.  I pay the fixed price for the private dance and then I tip the dancer after if I enjoyed the dance.

I have more problems with the clubs where you have to negotiate for extra services.  I hate the haggling and I hate it when at the end, the dancer demands a tip of a certain amount.  What do you suggest?


Simple.  First thing, do not take your credit cards or ATM card into the club.  Leave them in the car or at home.

Second, decide in advance what you're willing to spend and what you want for it.  I am going to assume that if you're negotiating for extras, you're negotiating for a hand job or a blow job or full service sex and that after you get what you want, you're not going to stick around for other dances.

Find out what the club charges for the room you're going to want.  Let's say it's $40 a dance with a three-dance minimum.  Let's say you're reasonably confident that you can achieve what you want in those three dances so you'll be spending at least $120.

What will the girl expect?  That depends on the girl and the club.  Every dancer has the right to set her own price and some set it high because they'd rather not do whatever you want than do it for bad money.  Do not get mad at her for this.  You have your own price for doing whatever you do for a living.

Stick with your price.  Do not let a moment of horniness tempt you into a purchase you will later wish you had not made.  You may have a great moment of pleasure from her but you don't want to look back on it later and feel you were an idiot to pay so much for it.  That can ruin a nice memory.

You may have to reject a few girls.  You may have to say no.  That's how negotiation works.

Let's say you decide you can be comfortable spending $200.  Remember that that doesn't mean the club gets $120 and the girl gets $80.  She gets part of the $120.

Put $220 in your wallet.  Keep the rest in another pocket.

Let's say a girl you like says she'll do what you want for a $150 tip.  That would make $270 plus she might hit you up for an additional tip afterwards.

You say, "Gee, I'd love to but I only have $220 left and I need to have $20 for gas to get home".  You can even open your wallet and show her that you only have $220.

At this point, she may say yes or no.  She may offer you a reduced service for the money.  If she offers you a reduced service, say no.  Say "I had my heart set on what we discussed.  If you don't want to do it for that, I'll understand".

She may say yes.  She may say no.  If she says no, tell her you're sorry and then look for another girl.  If you ever bought a car, you may have turned down many offers for the same reason.

If she says yes, remind her that you can't give her your gas money as a tip.  If she still asks you for a tip after, say "If I had more on me, I'd give it to you but I'm not going to push my car home".  My experience has been that they don't ask because they figure you don't have it.

I haven't done one of these negotiations in a while but when I did, this always worked.  If the girl sees you have $220 in your wallet, she may suspect you have more money on you somewhere but she'll figure it's money she can't get.  One time, a dancer said "I'll bet you have more money hidden on you" and I told her "You can search me if you like but you're going to have to give me a tip if you do".

Most of the time, I would be getting a few warmup dances from different girls and then I'd spend my fixed amount on the last dancer who I would take to the VIP booth.  In this case, I would have more than my fixed amount in my wallet when I went in and I would pay for the warmup dances out of it.  Before I got serious about arranging for my final dance, I would go to the men's room and rearrange my money.

None of this works of course if you don't have the will power to say no.

Wednesday, February 18, 2015

From the Strip Club Hound

I am not dead.  I have just been away from the site for a month because of personal matters mostly relating to the health of a family member.

I am also having trouble thinking of things to write here.  I haven't been to any strip clubs in a while.  Part of that is because of those personal matters and part of it is because my lady friend who used to be a dancer puts on pretty good shows at home.

If you'd like to see more posts here, it would help if you sent in questions or you could post them as comments on this message.  I also would appreciate it if those of you who like this site would mention it on other sites and drive some traffic this way.  Thank you.

Saturday, January 3, 2015

List Updated

Some friends of mine in the strip club business have made some suggestions for my list and I have revised a few items.

Friday, December 26, 2014

50 Tips for Strip Club Managers

I come up with these from time to time.  Some of these are old points that need to be repeated.
  1. Tell the disc jockey to turn the fucking music down so customers can talk to dancers.  The ladies can't sell guys if the guys can't hear them.
  2. Tell the disc jockey that he is not the show.  Unless close friends of his come in no one, NO ONE gives two shits about him.  They don't care how clever he is or how cool or how funny or how much he sounds like a real disc jockey who doesn't have to work in a strip club for a living.  He should CLEARLY ANNOUNCE THE NAMES OF THE DANCERS.  He should CLEARLY ANNOUNCE SPECIALS.  He should shut the fuck up about everything else.
  3. And he DEFINITELY should not ever get up on stage.  EVER!
  4. Tell the D.J. to lay off rap songs about violence and rape.  You don't want the kind of customers who love that shit.
  5. A lot of rap songs use the word "nigger" a lot.  Tell the D.J. that if he must play them at all, not to just play them when the black dancers are on stage.
  6. He should not be playing what he wants to hear.  He shouldn't even worry too much about what the customers want to hear.  He should play what the dancers want to dance to.
  7. Songs should be a consistent length and shouldn't get shorter when you call a two for one or a three for one.  Three minutes is a good length.
  8. Turn the heat up so the dancers aren't cold.  They can't be as naked when they're cold.
  9. Turn the lights up on stage so the customers can see how good your dancers look.
  10. Nobody gives a shit about fancy lighting effects and smoke on stage.  Most guys would like to see flesh in its actual color.
  11. If you don't have a line-up on stage where all available girls come up there and parade around, you should.
  12. During the line-up, the D.J. should identify each girl clearly so customers know the NAME of the girl they want to get a dance with.  It could even be more like a roll call with each dancer waving or doing a little sexy move when her name is read.
  13. It is occasionally necessary to tell a dancer she's putting on weight or getting lazy with her dancing or that she stinks of cigarettes.  If you haven't said it lately to anyone, maybe you should.
  14. Dancers who put on cologne or spray tan or body glitter should remember that they're going to be rubbing against men who are going home to their wives or back to the office.  One reason some men don't go to strip clubs is that they don't want to leave smelling of stripper or with smears of tan on their slacks.
  15. If the club says "nude" on the outside, the girls should get nude on the stage.  "Nude" does not mean wearing some clothes but flashing their tits and bush.  It means they take those clothes off.  It means nothing but shoes.
  16. An exception can be made for dancers who need to hide scars or other defects.   But if the girl has too many defects, she shouldn't be doing that for a living.
  17. Tell the dancers to smile at the customers and make them feel welcome.
  18. Remind the dancers that they can't sell dances while they're sitting in the dressing room texting their friends or playing games.  They need to get out and circulate.
  19. They should especially circulate right after they've been on stage.
  20. Don't gouge your customers on drinks or snacks.  If you're selling bottles of water for $7.00 each, don't buy the smallest kind.
  21. CUSTOMERS HATE CLUBS WITH SHITTY BATHROOMS.
  22. Customers hate having to tip a men's room attendant especially when all he does is hand you a paper towel after you wash your hands and try to sell you overpriced cologne and cigarettes.
  23. Women come into your club either as guys' dates or sometimes alone.  They must have an easily accessible bathroom and it must be routinely cleaned. 
  24. In fact, WOMEN SHOULD BE MADE TO FEEL JUST AS WELCOME IN YOUR CLUB AS MEN.  If you're not getting female customers, maybe it's because you don't make them feel like you want them there.
  25. Customers hate clubs with huge ATM fees or huge credit card surcharges.
  26. Customers hate clubs where the waitress is told to badger guys about buying drinks for dancers.  I've seen customers who were tipping and buying dances like crazy get up and leave the club because the server wasn't allowed to take no for an answer.  Why alienate a guy who's spending hundreds of dollars?  You should be comping that guy's drinks instead of badgering him into buying a Red Bull.
  27. A CUSTOMER SHOULD NEVER BE SURPRISED AT WHAT HE'S BEING CHARGED.  If he does buy the lady a drink, he should be told the price up front.  Again, why make a guy feel like a sucker in order to make $12 more off him?
  28. Don't get into a rhythm where dances are cheaper only every 30 minutes.  That means that if I decide five minutes after special time that I want to get a dance before I go, I'm either going to have to wait 25 minutes for it or leave now.  Most customers will leave in that situation.
  29. If a customer complains a dancer ripped you off, it's YOUR PROBLEM TO DEAL WITH.  You can't say "She's an independent contractor.  Settle it with her".  When a guy goes home feeling cheated, he does not say "I'm never going to dance with that one dancer again."  He says "I'm never going to go back to that shithole club again".
  30. Post frequent lineup announcements on your website.
  31. Post frequent lineup announcements on Twitter.
  32. Post frequent lineup announcements on sites like Boned In and ZBone.
  33. Treat Twitter as a free advertising tool, not a chore.
  34. Tweet and post information about whether you're open or closed or observing special hours on a holiday.  If a customer isn't sure you're open, he usually won't risk coming over.
  35. The hours you post have to correspond with when you actually have dancers present and performing.  If you open at Noon, there should be a couple of dancers working at Noon.  No one should ever come into your club and find three or less dancers on duty.  YOUR #1 DUTY AS MANAGER IS TO HAVE A DECENT LINEUP OF DANCERS ANY TIME YOU'RE OPEN!
  36. If you have dancers willing to pose for photos, even it means not showing their faces, send out pics of those great bodies.  You have no better advertising than to tell guys "If you come in, you can see this body in person and get a dance with her".
  37. Only the most important sports events are of interest to most customers.  You don't have to have the TV on when all that's on is male synchronized swimming.  News channels are pretty useless when you have to have the audio off.
  38. Remind the guy who keeps an eye on the lap dance area that THE CUSTOMERS ARE GUESTS and should be treated with politeness and respect, not treated like Bill Cosby with a fistful of Quaaludes.
  39. If the law will allow it in your area, dancers should be encouraged to not always put the entire bikini back on when wandering the club.  That should be their option and they should be compensated for it.  It's a selling point for your club.
  40. Somewhere in your club, there should be a clock that's easily visible for customers.  It is wrong to believe that causes guys to become aware of the time and leave sooner than they otherwise would.  It's the other way around.  They leave because they think it is later than it is.  Also, if you have a clock, they won't feel as much need to bring in cell phones to check on the time.
  41. Tell the girls who do a lot of pole work to leave their bottoms on when they're spinning on the pole.  The dancer after her may want to climb that pole.
  42. Your stage should never go more than 30 SECONDS without a woman on it who is either naked or about to get naked.  Some clubs make a rule that the stage is never to be empty.  A girl is not allowed to leave the stage until she can high-five the next girl coming on.
  43. If you serve alcohol, your dancers should never be drinking as much of it as your customers.  Seriously drunk dancers give seriously bad dances.
  44. If customers get rowdy or out of line with a girl, don't be afraid to toss them out.  They also make other customers uncomfortable.
  45. Don't let dancers reuse names.  A new dancer should not have the same name as any dancer who's worked there in the last three years.  It breaks guys' hearts when they see the name of a former love on your lineup, drive there and find out it's not the same girl.  There are other names dancers can have besides Amber, Jasmine, Nikki and Nadia.
  46. If you don't serve food in your club, try occasionally sending out for pizza and passing it around for free.  Tell the pizzeria to double the slices, meaning 16 instead of 8 per pie.  You might find pizza is a good investment. 
  47. Keep the lap dance areas clean and sanitized.  Also, it's just as bad when they smell of Lysol as when they smell of bodily fluids.
  48. If there are doors or curtains on the booths then the lights in there don't have to be too dim.  That's the place where the customer should get to see everything.  The exception would be when there are cameras and you don't want them to see everything.
  49. There's a saying in other businesses that the customer is always right.  In strip clubs, it should be that A CUSTOMER WHO IS SPENDING MONEY IS ALWAYS RIGHT.  You should be aware who those customers are and if one of them says the girl did 3 dances and she or your bouncer says it was 4, go with the customer's count.  Listen to those customers and treat them like they're important to you because they are.  I have seen clubs piss those people off over $20 and the customer leaves and never comes back.  Why lose a good customer over $20?
  50. Remember: THE GIRLS ARE THE PRODUCT.  The #1 reason guys go to your club is because they think you have great girls who get naked and are very friendly.  They don't go there because they like your DJ or your fucking Christmas decorations or your fancy logos.  They go because you have naked women they think are sexy.  If you forget that, you might as well get rid of the dancers and turn the building into a Vape shop.

Thursday, December 18, 2014

First Timer

I read with interest that there are some strip clubs in this country where for the right price, you can fuck a dancer or get her to go down on you.  As far as I know, we don't have that anywhere near where I live.  I would imagine that if you went into any club and waved a few thousand dollars, there would be a girl who would do that but I don't have that kind of money.

I am writing because at age 36, I am still a virgin.  I'd rather not explain why except that I had some terrible parental issues and didn't feel I could date girls on that basis while my mother was still alive.  She died four years ago and since then my problem has been that I can't seem to meet anyone.  I have a dread fear that if it doesn't happen by the time I'm 40, it will never happen and I will live the rest of my life feeling like I've missed something and am just too repulsive for any woman to care about.

I thought to traveling to Nevada to visit a legal brothel but when I go online to their sites or watch that TV series set in a brothel, the women look so unappealing and mercenary to me.  I am more interested in dancers because I go to strip clubs locally and always see a few girls I fantasize about and I know I could be happy losing my virginity to one of them.  So my first question is whether the strip clubs with the high mileage girls have the same good selection.

My next question is a little more difficult to ask.  Am I setting myself up for a colossal disappointment?  Will I get there and find that sex with a dancer is rushed and impersonal and unsatisfying?  And how do I go about arranging it if I want to still do that?

The first thing I have to tell you us that this bullshit about age 40 is just that.  40 is just an age.  I am considerably over 40 and I have plenty of opportunities to get laid both in strip clubs and outside them.  I am not a millionaire and I do not look like Jon Hamm.  If I can do it, you can do it.

The main advice I have to give you about strip clubs is to dress just a little better than the other guys who go to strip clubs.  Do not overdress.  Make sure you shower and are clean and that you tip appropriately and don't treat the women like whores even when they are whores.

If you want to get laid in a strip club, consult the internet and see which clubs allow that kind of thing.  Keep in mind that some guys lie on websites about that shit so one message is not proof of anything.  Keep in mind also that if it appears that Jasmine at a certain club is available for fucking, that does not mean she will do it with every guy who walks in or that other girls at the same club offer the same services.  You may have to talk with a few girls at a few clubs.

Talk with them.  If a girl is willing to fuck for money, she will usually have a way of letting you know that.  If she tried to sell you on a V.I.P., ask her about what you can do.  Make sure you are very sure about what she is offering before you commit and what the full price will be including room and tip and do not pay her in advance.

Bring your own condoms.  It will break your heart if you find the right girl and she says she doesn't have any.

Also, if you've never had sex before, spend some time and money learning how to put on a condom quickly.

Will it be satisfying?  I can't say.  I have had some experiences that were and some that were not.  It depended on the girl but it also depended on my mood.  I have had some terrific fucks in strip clubs.

Do not confuse this for sex with a real girl friend.  Fucking a dancer can be a great experience and a decent fill-in for sex with a real girl friend but it is not the same thing.  With a real girl friend, you can take your time and not hand her money at the end.  Of course with a real girl friend, you also have some responsibility for getting her off and for her having a good time.  Personally, I enjoy that part but some guys don't so they're better off with dancers and hookers.

If you read back on this site, I think I've answered some questions like this before so you may find more info there.

Good luck.

Saturday, December 13, 2014

Bad Visit

I had a bad experience in a strip club recently.  This is a low mileage club but the girls are cute enough to make it worth going there.  My problem was with a bouncer guy there who is very nasty and makes the place seem unfriendly.  The girls are friendly but this guy is not.

I selected a dancer and we went back to the booth area.  I sat down in the chair with the curtain open as we were waiting for the song in progress to stop.  The dancer was with me and suddenly the bouncer comes by, takes her aside and whispers something to her I cannot here.  She comes to me and says she's not going to be allowed to do the dance with me because my fly is down.

I look.  My fly is not down.  I show her.  She calls the bouncer over and tells him.  He says, "He zipped it up but his fly was down when he walked back here with you."

I tell him politely he is wrong.  He gets hostile with me.  I tell him to call the manager.  He pulls out a walkie-talkie and calls the manager.

The manager comes in and I explain the problem.  The manager says, "Well, it's your word against his."  I point out that it's my word AND the dancer's word against it.  The manager says, "She doesn't count.  She just doesn't want to lose the dance."

In front of the manager, I ask the bouncer what he saw that made him think my fly was down.  He says he saw the white of my shorts.  I was wearing dark blue jeans so the white stood out.

I say, "I'm not wearing white shorts."  I open my pants a bit to show that my shorts are dark red.  I tell him the bouncer owes me an apology and I think he owes the dancer an apology for basically accusing her of lying.

The manager tells me to get the fuck out of his club.  What should I have done?

Get the fuck out of his club.  You can't win with assholes like that.

Wednesday, November 26, 2014

Escorts

All of your points are true concerning the above subjects. I would be interested on your comparison of securing escorts on the internet compared to the strip club experience. My experience during the last year has been one of declining quality of the dancers in the strip clubs, music levels that are physically painful, and drink promotion that is highly offensive.

My activity on the internet with escorts has been more and more active with better and better results. The quality of the escorts generally is much higher than dancers, you have an endless selection, and the cost is marginal compared to what the club charges. All the things you see in a porn film you can do in your house or hotel for less than sharing time with a dancer.

I don't have any experience securing escorts on the internet.  I have been fortunate for a long time to have a lady I thought was beautiful in my life who took care of my sexual desires and did all the things I see in porn movies that I want to do.  It has not always been the same lady but there has usually been someone.

I go to strip clubs because I like strip clubs.  I like sitting there and watching girls dance.  I like talking with dancers.  I like getting lap dances and having that brief relationship with an attractive woman without incurring the involvement that would result if we went somewhere and fucked.  Apart from my trip not long ago to a German FKK, I have not paid for sex for quite some time unless you count lap dances where there was some sexy contact without penetration.

I am not criticizing anyone at all who pays for sex.  I have in the past and I might in the future.  It's just not something I'm presently looking for when I go to a strip club.

I think I would be afraid of using an online escort service.  I would be afraid of committing to sex with a woman until I had met her and talked with her.  When I was in my twenties or thirties, I could see a woman and instantly decide I had to fuck her.  These days, it takes more personal interest.  Even back then though I don't think I would have jumped based on photos.

I think I would also be uncomfortable going to meet a strange girl in a strange apartment or bringing her into my home.

I know guys who use these services.  I had one friend whose wife was out of the country for two years on a job and during that time, he must have fucked every Asian escort in the Los Angeles area who said in her online ad that she was under 30.  He offered to treat me to a session with his favorite but I declined.  Even when the wife was in town, he managed to see his favorite once a week.

Tuesday, November 18, 2014

Feature Dancers

How are the porn stars who do feature dancing received by the regular dancers in a club and vice versa? Are most porn performers who dance, divas when they're at the club and how do they affect the regulars income? If you have any specific stories from your managing days that would be appreciated!

In the club I managed, we had dancers who had done porn but we never billed them as featured dancers and most of them did not dance under their porn names.

I sent your question to an ex-dancer I knew who worked as as assistant manager at a club that had featured dancers.  This is what she sent me.>

Some of the girls were divas who bitched about their dressing rooms, the lighting, the music, the billing and everything.  Some of them were nice.  On the whole though, they were more trouble than they were worth.  Most of them brought more customers in but by the time the boss got through paying their fees and expenses, it wasn't really worth it.  Also, the other dancers made nothing from the guys who came in to see the feature.

I think this may be a Southern California thing. In other cities, it's a big thing to see a porn star perform. I've never seen them care much out here.


Wednesday, November 12, 2014

Porn Vs. Strip Clubs

You have made mention of how the tons of free porn on the internet has cut into business at strip clubs.  What advantages do you think strip clubs have over porn?

You can't touch the girls when you watch porn.  You can't smell their perfume.  You can't talk to them.  Just as a strip club patron, I have often established relationships with dancers that have led to seeing them outside the club.  I have never had a two-way relationship with a porn queen while sitting home and jacking off to her videos.

I find a lot of porn these days very fake.  I used to follow a lot of porn girls on Twitter but it became obvious to me that most of those ladies were not posting their own messages.  A few apparently do but most of the messages came from guys who were managers or boy friends or maybe husbands who were posting those "Oh, I'm so horny tonight" messages for the girls' fans.

When I talk to a girl at a strip club, she may be lying to me but at least it's her doing the lying.

I actually do not get a lot of lies from dancers.

I am a lot less interested in porn girls than I am in dancers.  Most porn girls are taken.  I am amazed how some of them even brag about their husbands and lovers.  Don't they know that that kills the fantasy for a lot of guys?  I don't mean we fantasize about maybe meeting these women and marrying them someday.  It's just a little harder to pretend the girl is yours for a little while when you know she's taken.

A strip club dancer may be taken too but she is in your lap and you're touching each other and that contact makes up a little for the knowledge that she may be going home to some guy or gal.  When she gets naked for you in the lap dance booth, she's getting naked just for you, not for every guy in the world at once.

Back when private dances were first introduced into the clubs I went to, you couldn't touch the dancers at all and vice-versa.  They just danced for you in a private room and put on basically the same show they did on stage.  It was still exciting and worth the money to be alone with them and to have them dancing just for you and showing their body off just to you.  I like it when a beautiful nude woman pays attention to me.

I think clubs make a mistake these days to play the music so loud.  I've been in clubs where it was impossible to have any kind of conversation with a dancer.  I think there are guys who go into clubs because they like to talk to dancers.  I can talk to strange women in bars but they aren't women who just danced naked for me.  There is a level of intimacy between a dancer and a customer that I find very comfortable.

Most porn bores me.  Only rarely do the women show any personality.  Only rarely do I think they are doing anything or saying anything other than what the director told me to do and say.  Every so often, I see a sparkle in a girl's eyes or she says something that sounds real.  I make better contact with dancers and every so often, one of them decides she's like to see me outside the club or even sleep with me.

Wednesday, October 29, 2014

Selling Drinks

My dancer friend told me that the other day at her club, a dancer was sitting with a customer and the waitress came over and asked the customer if he'd like to buy a drink for the dancer.

The customer turned to the dancer and asked if she wanted a drink. The dancer thought she was on the verge of selling the customer a very expensive lap dance and didn't want to delay it and give him the chance to change his mind so she said no. Instead, the dancer and customer went off and did the very expensive lap dance.


An hour later, the dancer was fired. The other dancers were instructed that if you're asked if you want a drink, the answer is ALWAYS yes.

 

My friend thinks that is stupid from a business standpoint. Why risk losing a $300 dance to sell a $10 drink? Why fire a dancer who sells as many $300 dances as this one does?

I'm going to guess this happened at a Deja Vu, a Spearmint Rhino or some other large chain.  Chains tend to have rules like that and the managers are forced to apply them even when they don't make sense.

I know a dancer who was fired from a chain club that had a rule that every dancer had to sell five drinks per shift.  This dancer sold tons of lap dances.  In fact, she probably didn't sell a lot of drinks because she was always in the back giving lap dances.

The club made a fortune off those dances but since they weren't making some nickels off the drink sales because of this girl, they got rid of her.  They kept dancers who made them less money.  It's insane.

In case you haven't been reading this blog, I think an awful lot of things I see in strip clubs these days are insane and very bad business.